6922 Standardröhre für Cayin CDP's und VV

[Erzkanzler]

Hört sich heute bereits viel besser an oder mein Ohr hat sich langsam daran gewöhnt.

Laß Dir am besten auch noch die anderen Weisheitzähne entfernen, vielleicht...

Oben sind bereits beide weg!

Dann haben die vielleicht tatsächlich auf's Gehör gedrückt.


Grüße
Martin

[Mel*84]

Haben denn Eure Höhen zwischenzeitlich Fortschritte gemacht?

[Erzkanzler]

Hab gerade noch mal gecheckt und würde sagen, das klingt schon mal ganz gut.
Ich kann keine wesentlichen Unterschiede mehr im HT-Bereich zwischen den beiden Röhrentypen entdecken. Aber wie bereits gesagt, das kann auch an meiner Anlage liegen.

Grüße
Martin

[Mel*84]

Hab gerade noch mal gecheckt und würde sagen, das klingt schon mal ganz gut.
Ich kann keine wesentlichen Unterschiede mehr im HT-Bereich zwischen den beiden Röhrentypen entdecken. Aber wie bereits gesagt, das kann auch an meiner Anlage liegen.

Grüße
Martin

Warte mal ab, bis Du den Cayin dran hast!

[2285b]

Dann haben die vielleicht tatsächlich auf's Gehör gedrückt.

Grüße
Martin

Vielleicht war er ja auch nur beim HNO-Arzt...

und es waren gar keine Weisheiszähne sondern Ohrenschmalz

<--Mel

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[Erzkanzler]

Vielleicht war er ja auch nur beim HNO-Arzt...

und es waren gar keine Weisheiszähne sondern Ohrenschmalz

<--Mel

[2285b]

Hallo @ all,

nach ca. 100h Einspielzeit ist der anfängliche Höhenmangel der National gänzlich verschwunden, nur die Feinauflösung der Höhen läßt noch etwas zu wünschen übrig. Der Bassdruck mit Tiefenstaffelung, sowie räumliche Darstellung ist weiterhin für mich unangefochten.

Der "Rückeinbau" der EH 6922 in den 17A zeigte für mich eine wesentlich bessere Brillanz des oberen Tonspektrums auf. Im Verbund mit den neuen TS 6550, die uneingespielt "untenherum" schon mächtig Dampf machen, brauche ich die baßgewaltigen National im Moment nicht mehr. Ich werde aber weiterhin andere 6922s ausprobieren und darüber berichten.

Schade, ich habe noch nie so gut die Felle einer Bassdrum "erlebt" wie mit der National

Gruß
Axel

[Mel*84]

Geht mir genauso, jetzt fehlen mir die Stärken der National im Bassbereich und Punch..

Gleichwohl habe ich mich nun "entgültig" für die JAN Philipps entschieden.

Würde ja auch gerne mal die 6550 von TungSol testen, jedoch habe ich dann 3 gute Sätze und es muss mal langsam Ende sein, sonst lande ich noch im Schuldturm.

[Mel*84]

Nachdem ich nun in letzter Zeit viel probiert und gehört habe, finde ich Amperex-Typen richtig gut. Da die NOS-Röhren in den Staaten zwischen 35-55 Öcken pro Stück weggehen, scheine ich mit meiner Meinung nicht alleine zu sein.

War übrigens ein Tip von Axel!

[Dominik]

Liebe Leute,

ich hab das Röhrenwechseln schon vor einiger Zeit aufgehört, da ich in meinem CD-Player (resp. DAC von Metronome TEchnologie) eine ganz gut passende Röhre zu vernünftigem Preis gefunden habe. Als ursprüngliche Ausgangsröhren waren zwei Sovtek 6922 in den Sockeln. Diese waren so "genügend", sicher besser als der damalige China-Schrott (hat sich sehr stark gebessert!), aber kein Vergleich gegen NOS-Ware.

Erster Austausch waren "Amperex 6922/E88CC" made in USA mit orangem Aufdruck. Diese waren schon um Längen besser und musikalischer, hatten aber eine ziemliche Anfälligkeit auf Mikrofonie. Insgesamt ein "fast gut bis gut".

Zweiter Austausch waren "JAN 7308 Philips ECG", made in USA, blauer Aufdruck. Eine damals günstige Röhre, mit sehr knackig trockenem Charakter. Ganz eine andere Richtung als die obige Amperex. Fast ein wenig zu kühl, aber im Gesamtüberblick doch besser als obige Amperex. ALso ein "gut plus".

Dritter und letzter Wechsel, eine super Röhre zu vernünftigem Preis. Die Vorteile von Amperex 6922 und JAN Philips sind vereint, ohne deren spezifischen Nachteile. Für mich ist die Röhre "JAN 7308 Amperex" made in USA mit orangem Aufdruck die absolute Spitze - und das zu vernünftigem Preis! Die überteuerten Siemens ECC88 Derivate lassen mich kalt - schon alleine des Preises wegen!

Liebe Grüsse und happy Tube-Rolling!
Dominik

[teiki arii]

I tried few of 6922 tubes (BVA, Telefunken E88CC <>, Mullard CV2492, PQ orange label 6922 made in holland, buggle boy 6922). Let me tell you that the ones I prefer are Siemens CCa, very expensive but that is the ones to get!
best regards,
teiki arii.

But I have been told that 7308 amperex and Mullard E188CC were excellent as well.

[2285b]

Hi teiki arii,

thank you for telling us your experiences with the different 6922 tubes. Did you ever heard of cryo-treated 6922?

"Ken,I got the "Cryogenically" treated grade 6922. They sound better than my Siemens CCa.

also available from Electroharmonix

Best regards
Axel

[Amerigo]

I also moved to Cryo-Tubes:


They are 6922 Russian MP SLNM CRYO E88CC/6H23CRYO

For sale here:

www.tubeman.com


They sound really, really good. Must be one of the best 6922 one can get. I'd say: go get it!


Cheers

Amerigo

[teiki arii]

I also moved to Cryo-Tubes:
They are 6922 Russian MP SLNM CRYO E88CC/6H23CRYO
For sale here:
www.tubeman.com
They sound really, really good. Must be one of the best 6922 one can get. I'd say: go get it!
Cheers
Amerigo

Thank you very much for your advise. I'll try them when CDT-17A come beck from China.
I have already bought excellent tubes from Tubeman as CV4024 Cryo far better then the "normal" CV4024. I had also VT-229 Cryo Phono very very good as well.
Thank you again,
teiki arii.

[yawg]

Hi Teiki,

I tried few of 6922 tubes (BVA, Telefunken E88CC <>, Mullard CV2492, PQ orange label 6922 made in holland, buggle boy 6922). Let me tell you that the ones I prefer are Siemens CCa, very expensive but that is the ones to get!
best regards,
teiki arii.

But I have been told that 7308 amperex and Mullard E188CC were excellent as well.

I've just upgraded my Cayin DA-2 from Sovteks to old Siemens CCa. Absolutely amazing!! Which CCa do you use? The "A-Frame" with a small getter plate instead of a ring? I've heard these are the best. Mine have the plates and I paid 90 euro with a pair of military dampers/isolation hoods, I guess I was very lucky ...

I'm quite new to the tube community but already 100% impressed. My only tubes are in the DAC but what a big difference they make!

I've also tried out a pair of Amperex Bugle Boy Made in Holland which I bought with the CCas. Whilst the timbre is O.K. (much more real than with the Sovteks) there is much more "grain" than with the CCas which have much better transparency. My digital sound lost all its edges and I actually prefer it now over my turntable which has a bit less resolution.

Which other models of E88CC would you recommend to try out? Thanx!

I'd like to try tubes as power amps but would need at least 100 W/channel which would be very expensive. I'm very happy with my Stax monos, anyway ...

Jörg.

[teiki arii]

I've just upgraded my Cayin DA-2 from Sovteks to old Siemens CCa. Absolutely amazing!! Which CCa do you use? The "A-Frame" with a small getter plate instead of a ring? I've heard these are the best. Mine have the plates and I paid 90 euro with a pair of military dampers/isolation hoods, I guess I was very lucky ...

Hello yawg,
You've got three different "CCa siemens" - that I know -:
- the halo getter with "two arms, bold label" that I have got,

- the halo getter with "one arm, thick label", better I have been told,
- the halo getter with "one arm thick label with grey shield between grey plates", the best of the bests I have been told; I hope so for more than 300 euros a pair...

And an outsider the "Siemens E188CC one arm with grey shield between grey plates", the best of the best E88CC...but very rare and too expensive IMHO...

.../...Which other models of E88CC would you recommend to try out? Thanx!

You've got THE Ones, I think: but someone told me that 6922 Russian MP SLNM CRYO E88CC/6H23CRYO ones above were excellent as well...

I'd like to try tubes as power amps but would need at least 100 W/channel which would be very expensive. I'm very happy with my Stax monos, anyway ...

If you need >100W, I am not sure that tubes power amps should be the ones unless very very expensive ones IMHO. But I have been told that very cheap Jungson JA-99C (80W class A) was excellent...

[yawg]

Hi Teiki,

You've got THE Ones, I think: but someone told me that 6922 Russian MP SLNM CRYO E88CC/6H23CRYO ones above were excellent as well

I wonder if it would be possible to give an extra pair of CCas a cryo-treatment. The result should be the absolute "Über-"tubes!! I'll get an extra pair of Siemens CCas soon. Where I live there is a Tech university, they should have cryo-equipment ...

Perhaps I try the cryo-treatment first on the pair of Sovteks which came out of my Cayin DAC

If you need >100W, I am not sure that tubes power amps should be the ones unless very very expensive ones IMHO. But I have been told that very cheap Jungson JA-99C (80W class A) was excellent...

I found that Klimo made beautiful monster-monos with 150 W/channel but are discontinued, the Linnet. Very rare. Are the Jungson amps current? I could find out if they are imported to Holland and have a listen.

Jörg.

[teiki arii]

I wonder if it would be possible to give an extra pair of CCas a cryo-treatment. The result should be the absolute "Über-"tubes!! I'll get an extra pair of Siemens CCas soon. Where I live there is a Tech university, they should have cryo-equipment ...

Wwwaaaooowww...
I have even no idea how they do it..

Perhaps I try the cryo-treatment first on the pair of Sovteks which came out of my Cayin DAC

Try and let me know...

I found that Klimo made beautiful monster-monos with 150 W/channel but are discontinued, the Linnet. Very rare. Are the Jungson amps current? I could find out if they are imported to Holland and have a listen.

Never heard about it...
Is that expensive? About the Jungson JA-99C, it is considered as the krell in China. And tweaked by André Devillers - another nice famous guy living in Belgium -, it is fabulous, amazing...Siezien - Search about power cord making - is tweaking the Jungson in a few days...
If you are looking for great tubes preamp/amp construction, try "Dr Tubes" in france... (JL Benoist)

[yawg]

Teiki,

I looked around on the net and found people with mixed results from the cryo-treatment. It appears that the process helps to make a better tube out of a low or medium quality tube.

But with an already excellent tube as the Siemens CCa you can also lose some good properties with the treatment so it would be stupid to do it.

I certainly won't risk to lose (or change) the sound that I'm enjoying now ...

Jörg.

[teiki arii]

Teiki,
I looked around on the net and found people with mixed results from the cryo-treatment. It appears that the process helps to make a better tube out of a low or medium quality tube.
But with an already excellent tube as the Siemens CCa you can also lose some good properties with the treatment so it would be stupid to do it.
I certainly won't risk to lose (or change) the sound that I'm enjoying now ...
Jörg.

You are probably right! But I have Mullard CV4024 cryo and not cryo, there is a deep difference between these two...That is the only thing I wanted to notice...no more.